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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Aug 18, 2010 2:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

the ball is teed up...

(disclaimer unnecessary - think we all love the GD)

1. Bobby banshee screams. One is more than enough. Take a scream lesson from Pig.
2. Endless repeats of last chorus or phrase. How many "any more"s do we need at the end of Bertha? Sunshine daydreams? Wait until that deal goes down? They should have figured out how to end more songs cleanly -take it to climax, but don't overdo it.
3. Too much synth
4. Brent may have been some folks' favorite key player, but I don't like that tinkling toy piano sound.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 18, 2010 5:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

>Bobby banshee screams.

Sometimes a bit misguided, but endearing rather than annoying. IMO (and I fawn over Weir, so take with a grain of salt).

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Aug 18, 2010 5:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

Possibly should elaborate on that - repeated screams of the same lyric over and over... and attempting over-the-top falsetto shouting, very bothersome, but the one-off HA scream well-placed is perfectly OK. His voice belongs in the lower register, like Weather Report Suite. And as someone noted above, not fond of the lazy talk-singing later on. Still a Bobby fan.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 18, 2010 6:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

I like most of it, frankly. I think his screams are generally well placed - but I do admit, there are other times it is overdone to the point of comical. But I like that too :)

Honestly the occasions where they are a bit ridiculous are all part of their success. They were so awesome, it's a relief when they occasionally blow it in a spectacular way.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 18, 2010 9:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

Yup. That's cuz the Dead aren't just a band for Deadheads, they're a sports team. Isn't catching the flubbed lyrics and ragging about how they "shoulda, coulda" done something differently a part of the game? Perfection isn't for Live Anything (sports, music, life). I don't "get" sports, but I think for people who do, that's part of it. The combination of brilliance and skill, live what'll-they-do-next action, and inevitable mistakes. All happening in real time and performed by brilliant but real and flawed people, not CGI characters.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 19, 2010 5:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

You've nailed it as usual.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Aug 19, 2010 6:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

no shame in that, i fawn over weir too, especially when he let his bizarre personality come through on stage. also, he was incredibly good-looking, so that doesn't hurt.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 19, 2010 6:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

Yeah, I agree he is not hard to look at :)

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Aug 19, 2010 7:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

not to hijack the thread into a bobby love-fest, but some of the pictures of him from the early days are unbelievable - thinking in particular of the closeup from the fillmore west '69 box. I think he was 21 at the time - JEEZ! Also, isn't it out of control that the guy was 21 when they made live dead?! what the hell!

This post was modified by midnightcarousel on 2010-08-19 14:06:46

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Aug 19, 2010 7:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

Yes it is, and why not have a Bobby love-fest? :) We have the opposite fairly often round here.

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Poster: utopian Date: Aug 19, 2010 2:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

Bobby's Screams, Slide guitar,
& voice- Before his other nut dropped.. circa 1975

**I may be paranoid but I think They were following me from town to town from 1980-1991.

***Snobbish, Pretentious, Picky, era-touting fans (a minority)

****VINCE*****

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 19, 2010 4:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

****Thin-skinned, disillusioned touch-heads convinced that mailed-in, sloppy shows from the 80's were great performances simply because they attended the shows and enjoyed themselves

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 19, 2010 5:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

Cliff the Insult Comic Dog

"Great 80's shows......for me to poop on!!"

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 19, 2010 5:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

I can't think of a more appropriate place to relieve myself, not that it's any of your business. Why do you feel so compelled to chime in everytime I defend myself? You a cop?

Besides, here are no great 80's shows...

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 19, 2010 7:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

Where is your sense of humor? Why would you think I am out to get you?

You find time to chime in with negative comments, but never any friendly banter. I just don't get it. I'm trying to get you to crack a smile or make a light-hearted retort and you tell me your self-defense is none of my business and call me a cop. I guess that's ok with me, but I hardly see how that makes for good forum chemistry.

Many of the relationships forged here @ LMA GD Forum have begun with an argument or misunderstood banter. Then, after both sides cool down and at least make an effort to find common ground, friendships happen.

By all means, bash away. But please try and keep a sense of humor. Keep it light if possible. It's a music forum and some people like different stuff. One man's swill is another man's Czechvar.






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Poster: Hal R Date: Aug 18, 2010 2:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

1. The same first set cover "cowboy songs" were played too much - Big River, El Paso, etc. They should have learned a few others, even of the same genre, but these got old.

2. At a point it seemed they didn't practice together much anymore and were just going through the motions. Wish they would have taken a break for a bit in the mid 80's. I am going to disgust myself here by quoting Huey Lewis "The Heart or Rock and Roll is the Feeling." They lost that feeling more and more and should have just stepped back and recharged.

3. The vocals often could have been better. If they had spent 1/100 of the time working on vocals as they had on their instruments it would have helped.

As far as Bobby screams, Donna screams, Pigpen screams I usually find all this amusing more than irksome... Good for my laugh muscles and eye rolling muscles




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Poster: vapors Date: Aug 18, 2010 3:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

Re paragraph 2 - please take no offense, but for the record this is the correct lyric:

They say the heart of rock and roll is still beating
And from what I've seen I believe 'em
Now the old boy may be barely breathing
But the heart of rock and roll, heart of rock and roll is still beating.

(Not to be contrary, but to me it kind of describes the boys later efforts)

This post was modified by vapors on 2010-08-18 22:53:12

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Poster: Hal R Date: Aug 18, 2010 4:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

no offense, was kind of shooting in the dark, I am much worse with Dead songs that I find I have been singing the wrong lyrics to for years (Hunter's Box of Rain book was kind of a shock to me, but then maybe the band wasn't singing what Hunter wrote either)

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Poster: vapors Date: Aug 18, 2010 4:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: So what DON'T you like about em'?

Right on – funny how you (anyone) can latch onto what you think are the words and then always hear it that way. And there are numerous examples where Jerry changed Hunter’s lyrics.